Comments on: Molokai: residents forced to pay 178% more for water http://blog.kahea.org/2008/09/05/molokai-residents-forced-to-pay-178-more-for-water/ Fri, 23 Jul 2010 20:47:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Manawai http://blog.kahea.org/2008/09/05/molokai-residents-forced-to-pay-178-more-for-water/#comment-198 Manawai Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:28:17 +0000 http://kahea.wordpress.com/?p=236#comment-198 Maybe it works that way in your simplified universe, but not in the real world. You're simply paying the actual cost of bringing that water to you. Just because your lifestyle has been subsisdized by Molokai Ranch in the past, it doesn't mean it must in the future. Witness what's happening now. You're paying the true cost of your lifestyle. No more welfare. So where, Marti, does it say that Molokai Ranch is obligated to subsidize you? Show me where they promised it! You said it, now back it up. No one's being held hostage. If you don't like living on, or surrounded by, their land...move! But you just want to keep your subsidy going. You want someone else to pay for the convenience you're enjoying. Well guess what? I ain't going to happen anymore. I won't argue that some people may have a right of some sort to water, but not necessarily to have it delivered to your doorstep. If you did, you wouldn't have paid anything for it in the past. But you did and thereby established that water delivery is something to be paid for. So this isn't about being deprived of water or a "right" to water, it's all about how much you have to pay for the convenience of having it delivered to your house. Maybe you should exercise your "right" and go get buckets of it from the stream or drill your own well. The law and the courts don't back what you're saying. Sorry, Marti! You lose! Maybe it works that way in your simplified universe, but not in the real world. You’re simply paying the actual cost of bringing that water to you. Just because your lifestyle has been subsisdized by Molokai Ranch in the past, it doesn’t mean it must in the future. Witness what’s happening now. You’re paying the true cost of your lifestyle. No more welfare. So where, Marti, does it say that Molokai Ranch is obligated to subsidize you? Show me where they promised it! You said it, now back it up. No one’s being held hostage. If you don’t like living on, or surrounded by, their land…move! But you just want to keep your subsidy going. You want someone else to pay for the convenience you’re enjoying. Well guess what? I ain’t going to happen anymore. I won’t argue that some people may have a right of some sort to water, but not necessarily to have it delivered to your doorstep. If you did, you wouldn’t have paid anything for it in the past. But you did and thereby established that water delivery is something to be paid for. So this isn’t about being deprived of water or a “right” to water, it’s all about how much you have to pay for the convenience of having it delivered to your house. Maybe you should exercise your “right” and go get buckets of it from the stream or drill your own well. The law and the courts don’t back what you’re saying. Sorry, Marti! You lose!

]]> By: Marti Townsend http://blog.kahea.org/2008/09/05/molokai-residents-forced-to-pay-178-more-for-water/#comment-197 Marti Townsend Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:19:20 +0000 http://kahea.wordpress.com/?p=236#comment-197 Aloha "Manawai," Mahalo for yet another in-cite-ful comment on our blog. We appreciate this opportunity to simplify these complicated issues for you. Here's the breakdown: Water is a fundamental basic human right. Molokai Ranch took on the kuleana of providing water to the people of Molokai. Nobody forced them to take on the responsibility and nobody guaranteed them a profit. Molokai Ranch - the private, for-profit corporation - took a gamble by investing in Molokai and creating these very serious obligations for itself. And it is Molokai Ranch, not the people of Molokai, who bares the burden of losing that gamble. In your words, "Manawai," Molokai Ranch is the loser that has to just suck it up and stop whining. Water is a basic human right and they promised to provide it to the people of Molokai. Poho the Ranch isn't raking in the cash anymore, that was never part of the deal. Molokai Ranch has no right to hold the people hostage for more money. If a gangster tried the same thing, it would be illegal, not just immoral. Aloha “Manawai,”

Mahalo for yet another in-cite-ful comment on our blog. We appreciate this opportunity to simplify these complicated issues for you.

Here’s the breakdown: Water is a fundamental basic human right. Molokai Ranch took on the kuleana of providing water to the people of Molokai. Nobody forced them to take on the responsibility and nobody guaranteed them a profit. Molokai Ranch – the private, for-profit corporation – took a gamble by investing in Molokai and creating these very serious obligations for itself. And it is Molokai Ranch, not the people of Molokai, who bares the burden of losing that gamble.

In your words, “Manawai,” Molokai Ranch is the loser that has to just suck it up and stop whining. Water is a basic human right and they promised to provide it to the people of Molokai. Poho the Ranch isn’t raking in the cash anymore, that was never part of the deal. Molokai Ranch has no right to hold the people hostage for more money. If a gangster tried the same thing, it would be illegal, not just immoral.

]]> By: Manawai http://blog.kahea.org/2008/09/05/molokai-residents-forced-to-pay-178-more-for-water/#comment-193 Manawai Sat, 06 Sep 2008 06:44:28 +0000 http://kahea.wordpress.com/?p=236#comment-193 Molokai Ranch has been subsidizing the residents of Molokai for many years with water bills that haven't covered the cost of bringing that water to their homes. So now, Molokai Ranch who has not been permitted by these very same water users to develop their property to the extent that they can make a reasonable revenue stream, says OK, we're out of here and now you have to pay the full and true cost of bringing that water to your home and all the whining want-it-for-free losers cry foul! What hypocrites! These are merely people who what someone other than themselves to pay for the services they enjoy. Well, you can't have it both ways. You stop Molokai Ranch for trying to make their enterprise profitable. Well you lost! They called your bluff and now you're paying the price of your own obstinacy. So like petty little whining losers you cry for someone else to pay the cost of delivering your water. Well, you can damn well pay for your own service, I’m certainly not going to subsidize your lifestyle and the county of Maui is saying the same thing. Suck it up and live the consequences of your own actions! Molokai Ranch has been subsidizing the residents of Molokai for many years with water bills that haven’t covered the cost of bringing that water to their homes. So now, Molokai Ranch who has not been permitted by these very same water users to develop their property to the extent that they can make a reasonable revenue stream, says OK, we’re out of here and now you have to pay the full and true cost of bringing that water to your home and all the whining want-it-for-free losers cry foul! What hypocrites! These are merely people who what someone other than themselves to pay for the services they enjoy. Well, you can’t have it both ways. You stop Molokai Ranch for trying to make their enterprise profitable. Well you lost! They called your bluff and now you’re paying the price of your own obstinacy. So like petty little whining losers you cry for someone else to pay the cost of delivering your water. Well, you can damn well pay for your own service, I’m certainly not going to subsidize your lifestyle and the county of Maui is saying the same thing. Suck it up and live the consequences of your own actions!

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