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	<title>Comments on: OOA: The Next Mahele?</title>
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		<title>By: Moser Bay</title>
		<link>http://blog.kahea.org/2009/11/10/ooa-the-next-mahele/#comment-578</link>
		<dc:creator>Moser Bay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently Kimo is not informed on this issue of Open Ocean Aquaculture.  The Federal government and all coastal state governments intend to &quot;erect massive industrial fish farms&quot; to feed the world at the expense of our resources.  The proponents are concerned with the bottom line; how much money there is to be made.

Hawaii Ocean Technologies Inc., IS conducting an experiment is our pristine waters.  The technology has not been proven to work with fish.   It&#039;s all hype!  They&#039;ve used data for their FEIS from the 80&#039;s; which is irrelevant today.  Also, not conducting baseline data because it&#039;s too expensive; that&#039;s irresponsible.

Furthermore, using terms of sustainable and environmentally friendly is disingenuous.  Fish farms are merely aquatic feedlots.

More oversight, regulations and enforcement will perhaps clean up this industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently Kimo is not informed on this issue of Open Ocean Aquaculture.  The Federal government and all coastal state governments intend to &#8220;erect massive industrial fish farms&#8221; to feed the world at the expense of our resources.  The proponents are concerned with the bottom line; how much money there is to be made.</p>
<p>Hawaii Ocean Technologies Inc., IS conducting an experiment is our pristine waters.  The technology has not been proven to work with fish.   It&#8217;s all hype!  They&#8217;ve used data for their FEIS from the 80&#8242;s; which is irrelevant today.  Also, not conducting baseline data because it&#8217;s too expensive; that&#8217;s irresponsible.</p>
<p>Furthermore, using terms of sustainable and environmentally friendly is disingenuous.  Fish farms are merely aquatic feedlots.</p>
<p>More oversight, regulations and enforcement will perhaps clean up this industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimo</title>
		<link>http://blog.kahea.org/2009/11/10/ooa-the-next-mahele/#comment-574</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aloha

I can understand that no one wants to feel that land, or ocean, is being taken away from them, but the arguments and comparison you make are out of reasonable perspective. 

Modern technology applied today to make a fish growing experiment cannot be compared to the launch of cattle farming in the Victorian age. 

&quot;“no trespassing” signs over every inch of land&quot;  is not the likely result of this experiment - that is only in your mind. 

You say the ocean is a collective resource but even the Kingdom  has awarded individuals the exclusive rights to fish certain areas.  It just sounds like you don&#039;t like this project because some other governing body other than You has legal authority over this particular resource.  

If you look at the population statistics you will see that there are simply more people living on earth today than there used to be - more mouths to feed, so the claim that small scale fishing can feed &quot;everybody&quot; is no longer true. It is unfortunate, but that is the reality and no amount of clinging to old ways will change that. 

&quot;Erecting massive industrial commercial fish farms&quot; is not what is going on here. These are experiments to figure out how to make fish farming work in a balanced and appropriate way to try to do exactly what you say you want to see done - feed all the people. 

If they are successful, these fish farming bubbles would have to be spaced out - separated from one another and never in such density where  access to significant portions of the shore and ocean would be restricted. 

From the sound of it you are just being protective of any amount of access being taken from you and that is possessive, self-centered and  just plain wrong. 

I&#039;m not a progress-at-any-cost kind of guy, in fact I&#039;m pretty protective of all &quot;our&quot; natural resources. These fish farming experiments are not the potential problem you say they are. The truth is that they are just in what you consider to be your back yard and you don&#039;t like it. 

That&#039;s not a good enough reason to stop them from working out a good new way to feed all the people.

And yes let&#039;s do regulate better the commercial fishing that takes place in &quot;our&quot; waters. Many of those practices are exploitative. That&#039;s what these experiments are designed to fix. If you weren&#039;t so focused on your own feelings of lack you might see that. 

Blessing to all that our time on this planet can be sustained in ways that are to the betterment of  all beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aloha</p>
<p>I can understand that no one wants to feel that land, or ocean, is being taken away from them, but the arguments and comparison you make are out of reasonable perspective. </p>
<p>Modern technology applied today to make a fish growing experiment cannot be compared to the launch of cattle farming in the Victorian age. </p>
<p>&#8220;“no trespassing” signs over every inch of land&#8221;  is not the likely result of this experiment &#8211; that is only in your mind. </p>
<p>You say the ocean is a collective resource but even the Kingdom  has awarded individuals the exclusive rights to fish certain areas.  It just sounds like you don&#8217;t like this project because some other governing body other than You has legal authority over this particular resource.  </p>
<p>If you look at the population statistics you will see that there are simply more people living on earth today than there used to be &#8211; more mouths to feed, so the claim that small scale fishing can feed &#8220;everybody&#8221; is no longer true. It is unfortunate, but that is the reality and no amount of clinging to old ways will change that. </p>
<p>&#8220;Erecting massive industrial commercial fish farms&#8221; is not what is going on here. These are experiments to figure out how to make fish farming work in a balanced and appropriate way to try to do exactly what you say you want to see done &#8211; feed all the people. </p>
<p>If they are successful, these fish farming bubbles would have to be spaced out &#8211; separated from one another and never in such density where  access to significant portions of the shore and ocean would be restricted. </p>
<p>From the sound of it you are just being protective of any amount of access being taken from you and that is possessive, self-centered and  just plain wrong. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a progress-at-any-cost kind of guy, in fact I&#8217;m pretty protective of all &#8220;our&#8221; natural resources. These fish farming experiments are not the potential problem you say they are. The truth is that they are just in what you consider to be your back yard and you don&#8217;t like it. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not a good enough reason to stop them from working out a good new way to feed all the people.</p>
<p>And yes let&#8217;s do regulate better the commercial fishing that takes place in &#8220;our&#8221; waters. Many of those practices are exploitative. That&#8217;s what these experiments are designed to fix. If you weren&#8217;t so focused on your own feelings of lack you might see that. </p>
<p>Blessing to all that our time on this planet can be sustained in ways that are to the betterment of  all beings.</p>
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